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@roadkill said:

<p>I was talking to a guy this weekend that owns a Kratom bar locally. He was talkin to me about his source and was telling me it's hydroponically grown and that the quality is superb. Which got me to thinking. If it takes 4 or 5 years before the plant is producing the proper alkaloids how can they possibly be hydroponically growing trees of that size? Or is there a way to produce what we want in shorter periods of time and on smaller plants</p>

  I just saw an ad for wholesale at $ 10/kg 10,000 kg min. Hard to believe hydro can be done cheaper.