@'Bizaro22': > Have you done these thing Randy? Because I know for a fact that everyone responding to you has done more than you could even imagine in this fight. Just because we are not in a panic does not mean we are not doing our share….and then some. Of course I have, listen do you really think I want to loose the kind of living I have now. Not only money but more for helping others! I have personally written to over 70 different congress men, not petition but actual emails. The bottom line is this and then I will make my leave because I clearly see too many here for whatever reason and they may have good reasons I don't know but are using fantasy or magical thinking and are much to relaxed around this issue

i give up….someone else take over....lol!

@'Bizaro22': > i give up….someone else take over....lol! look if people want to believe that a FDA lie cannot result in a outright ban on all raw Kratom coming in then so be it. Bottom line It can and does bottom bottom line DEc in Dec last year gave this to the FDA and told them we are done you handle it, now the FDA just gives a big lie and gave the ball back to the DEA, what's nexts?

@'Bizaro22': > Have you done these thing Randy? Because I know for a fact that everyone responding to you has done more than you could even imagine in this fight. Just because we are not in a panic does not mean we are not doing our share….and then some. This is true, plus we know our vendors extremely well. They do & have for many years taken all of these precautions. I am pleased that you are dedicated & protecting yourself as well as your customers by practicing safe processing with your kratom, these are very important & professional steps to abide by. Sadly, there are vendors, too many vendors, who don't care enough to take these precautions.

The FDA has no jurisdiction over a natural botanical. Have you ever noticed that the FDA never refers to Kratom by its botanical name?? There's a reason for that. And if you have all the facts and don't want to listen to others opinions/facts, then I'm not sure why you posted. Either way, I'm done. I do hope it all works out for you tho…..

@'Bizaro22': > The FDA has no jurisdiction over a natural botanical. Have you ever noticed that the FDA never refers to Kratom by its botanical name?? There's a reason for that. And if you have all the facts and don't want to listen to others opinions/facts, then I'm not sure why you posted. Either way, I'm done. I do hope it all works out for you tho….. Of course they do. Do I need to go into a list of natural botancias that are banned from the US? There are quite a few.. Look I am not upset with you at all, what upsets me is this kind of magical thinking that Kratom will remain legal, it will not unless a whole lot more is done. Personally I would like to see every Kratom vendor in the US fined if they don't have a C of A on what they are selling to folks, be a good start I think. anyhow hope it works out for all here bye

DO NOT mistake my good nature with a blaze' attitude to my advocacy. I have spoken to a PHD researcher and a pharmacologist today, this week I have corresponded with a journalist. Everyone here is doing their part and more, that I do know. Lecturing me has no effect. Perhaps coming at me with a open hand instead of guns ablaze. But i have found that a gunfighter will find an excuse to use their guns. So lets try this again….welcome to the forum Randy

@'TheAegis': > DO NOT mistake my good nature with a blaze' attitude to my advocacy. I have spoken to a PHD researcher and a pharmacologist today, this week I have corresponded with a journalist. Everyone here is doing their part and more, that I do know. Lecturing me has no effect. Perhaps coming at me with a open hand instead of guns ablaze. But i have found that a gunfighter will find an excuse to use their guns. So lets try this again….welcome to the forum Randy Sorry I hope the things that count are actually done. It still seems like magical thinking. Again the FDA has not nor every banned raw Kratom coming into the US. thats a fact. What they have done is banned and taken products that were mis-labeled or had claims this is very different then taking my 50 kg at a inspection station. But make no mistake it's easy to take bulk raw shipments of Kratom. They are mostly all labeled correctly but to date none of myu shipments been touch why because there is no ban on raw Kratom powder coming into my state. But that can change tomorrow, thats all I am saying and when the FDA comes out with such nonsense like yesterday it needs to get hit hard and needs to get hit in the court of public affairs where it counts! So sense you good people are doing all you can then I need not worry and go back to bagging my Kratom for my customers.. I feel so much better now

@'itzatwist': > @'Bizaro22': > > > Have you done these thing Randy? Because I know for a fact that everyone responding to you has done more than you could even imagine in this fight. Just because we are not in a panic does not mean we are not doing our share….and then some. > > This is true, plus we know our vendors extremely well. They do & have for many years taken all of these precautions. I am pleased that you are dedicated & protecting yourself as well as your customers by practicing safe processing with your kratom, these are very important & professional steps to abide by. Sadly, there are vendors, too many vendors, who don't care enough to take these precautions. thanks but ask a Company like Gaia that is very large and sells crap Kratom at $50 a kg to anyone for a  C of A and he has not one yet he imports over a 1/2 ton or more a week buying it from Indo for $5 a kg! Truth be known most vendors don't even know what a C of A is let alone have one! This is just inviting the FDA to come in and do something, people don't think nor do they act. What do I mean you go to a smoke shop or head shop that sells Kratom ask for a C of A they don't have one never shop in that store again. Granted head shops and smoke shops are not the best place to get Kratom but the majority of users buy from such places! Bottom line anything can be in most Kratom out there, the chinese are very good at this they will buy the cheapest Kratom possible down to a buck or 2 a kg in large amounts then thy have it shipped by boat to their country, then they dust it with a synthetic morphine like compound and presto they have some Kratom that folks think is the best and it's not even the natural alkaloids!

So sense you good people are doing all you can then I need not worry and go back to bagging my Kratom for my customers.. I feel so much better now I assume sarcasm…when you bag their kratom do you include a flyer warning of the fight they need to join...do you enjoin them to join and donate..do you include a list of emails of your state senators...do you offer a product discount if they bring in their congressman's reply to their call or letter. I applaud you for testing your product and would suggest you join the AKA vendor program which is working toward self policing and achieving cGMP certification. Welcome the warrior do not spit upon them because you see them as late to the battle.

@'randy1953': > thanks but ask a Company like Gaia that is very large and sells crap Kratom at $50 a kg to anyone for a  C of A and he has not one yet he imports over a 1/2 ton or more a week buying it from Indo for $5 a kg! > Truth be known most vendors don't even know what a C of A is let alone have one! This is just inviting the FDA to come in and do something, people don't think nor do they act. What do I mean you go to a smoke shop or head shop that sells Kratom ask for a C of A they don't have one never shop in that store again. > Granted head shops and smoke shops are not the best place to get Kratom but the majority of users buy from such places! > Bottom line anything can be in most Kratom out there, the chinese are very good at this they will buy the cheapest Kratom possible down to a buck or 2 a kg in large amounts then thy have it shipped by boat to their country, then they dust it with a synthetic morphine like compound and presto they have some Kratom that folks think is the best and it's not even the natural alkaloids! Ok, Randy, you have passion & that is good. However, you honestly are preaching to the choir here. I have been involved in this fight since long before the AKA even came onboard & others here have also. We are not members of the Apathetics & you will encounter many more like us. Know your audience. There are those that stew & those that do. None of us here enjoy stewing.  As to your specifics, they are very good also & I can assure you that we have been doing all of that & more. Again, know your audience. Now, as new people wake up, & decide to shed their apathy it is our job, you are included in this, to guide them, not blast them &/or scare them back into apathy. THAT is our job, to guide the newly awakened to the revolution. We want them we NEED them, ok? This is why we do not sound wound up, Randy, because we are doing everything you have mentioned & more, LOTS more. It looks like you have also & that is highly commendable so let's show folks how it is done, sound good?

@'TheAegis': > So sense you good people are doing all you can then I need not worry and go back to bagging my Kratom for my customers.. > I feel so much better now > > I assume sarcasm…when you bag their kratom do you include a flyer warning of the fight they need to join...do you enjoin them to join and donate..do you include a list of emails of your state senators...do you offer a product discount if they bring in their congressman's reply to their call or letter. I applaud you for testing your product and would suggest you join the AKA vendor program which is working toward self policing and achieving cGMP certification. Welcome the warrior do not spit upon them because you see them as late to the battle. Actually some of your suggestions are very good thanks. Gives me a great idea I can probably fit all that is needed on a one page flyer! I was happy to see this AKA doing something on the update page so at least I can leave feeling better (no sarcasm) and with a few good ideas. I will think about the AKA vendor program, right now I am working on getting my inventory high enough so if something crazy does happen I can still service my customers for sometime, it's no small feat. My average customer will normally through a month use up a kg so it takes many many keys just to fulfill that portion.

@'randy1953': > @'TheAegis': > > > So sense you good people are doing all you can then I need not worry and go back to bagging my Kratom for my customers.. > > I feel so much better now > > > > I assume sarcasm…when you bag their kratom do you include a flyer warning of the fight they need to join...do you enjoin them to join and donate..do you include a list of emails of your state senators...do you offer a product discount if they bring in their congressman's reply to their call or letter. I applaud you for testing your product and would suggest you join the AKA vendor program which is working toward self policing and achieving cGMP certification. Welcome the warrior do not spit upon them because you see them as late to the battle. > > Actually some of your suggestions are very good thanks. Gives me a great idea I can probably fit all that is needed on a one page flyer! > I was happy to see this AKA doing something on the update page so at least I can leave feeling better (no sarcasm) and with a few good ideas. > I will think about the AKA vendor program, right now I am working on getting my inventory high enough so if something crazy does happen I can still service my customers for sometime, it's no small feat. My average customer will normally through a month use up a kg so it takes many many keys just to fulfill that portion. If you are interested in The AKA Vendor program here is the email that was sent out: The AKA has launched ther Retailers Membership Program. If you Are a Vendor, and want to be involved, please send an email to **info@americankratom.org**  There was an email sent out, but if we did not have your info, please update us. Feel free to share this info with your groups and any and all vendors you know. We will not be answering questions regarding this program except thru that email.  Thank you all. #IAMKRATOM #TEAMAKA #KEEPKRATOMLEGAL

@'itzatwist': > If you are interested in The AKA Vendor program here is the email that was sent out: > > The AKA has launched ther Retailers Membership Program. If you Are a Vendor, and want to be involved, please send an email to **info@americankratom.org**  There was an email sent out, but if we did not have your info, please update us. Feel free to share this info with your groups and any and all vendors you know. We will not be answering questions regarding this program except thru that email.  >   > Thank you all. > > #IAMKRATOM > #TEAMAKA > #KEEPKRATOMLEGAL Thank you :)

@'randy1953': > @'TheAegis': > > > So sense you good people are doing all you can then I need not worry and go back to bagging my Kratom for my customers.. > > I feel so much better now > > > > I assume sarcasm…when you bag their kratom do you include a flyer warning of the fight they need to join...do you enjoin them to join and donate..do you include a list of emails of your state senators...do you offer a product discount if they bring in their congressman's reply to their call or letter. I applaud you for testing your product and would suggest you join the AKA vendor program which is working toward self policing and achieving cGMP certification. Welcome the warrior do not spit upon them because you see them as late to the battle. > > Actually **ALL** of your suggestions are very good thanks. Gives me a great idea I can probably fit all that is needed on a one page flyer! > I was happy to see this AKA doing something on the update page so at least I can leave feeling better (no sarcasm) and with a few good ideas. > I will think about the AKA vendor program, right now I am working on getting my inventory high enough so if something crazy does happen I can still service my customers for sometime, it's no small feat. My average customer will normally through a month use up a kg so it takes many many keys just to fulfill that portion. I fixed your reply (lol)…a _simple_ error to make..If you would like a sounding board for your advocacy please stop by one of my posts and say hello..the beginning is calling your congressman not the end. I look forward to seeing you on the forum.

@'Bizaro22': > The FDA has no jurisdiction over a natural botanical. Have you ever noticed that the FDA never refers to Kratom by its botanical name?? There's a reason for that. And if you have all the facts and don't want to listen to others opinions/facts, then I'm not sure why you posted. Either way, I'm done. I do hope it all works out for you tho….. They are careful to walk the line in every release. It is worded in lawyerese never the botanical, if they connect to the botanical vs unapproved drug, all hell will break loose. I think the final definition is food supplement vs nutritional supplement. While they cannot ban a nutritional supplement they can heavily regulate it not so much the food supplement. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin.