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The Indoor Grower's Supply List

Please take this down or move it if it's in the wrong spot. Sourcing rules, etc.

About 95% of the list is on Amazon, except some of the lights. Not trying to endorse any particular brand or product. Some items were included for price comparison or brand variety. You should do your own research!

Grodan Rockwool cube, 200x 1in = 17$
Grodan Rockwool starter plug 98x 1.5in plus 15ml CLONEX = 23$
Grodan Macro Plug slit 50x = 13$
Deco2Pro LLC Rockwool Cube 40x 1.5in = 10$
Twin Canaries Rockwool cube 2 sheets x25 (50) 2in = 15$
Twin Canaries Rockwool cube 2 sheets x49 (98) 1.5in = 15$
StackyCubes 48x 1.5” = 10$
THC 200 cubes 1in? = 17$
Twin Canaries 200 cubes 1in? = 16$
Twin Canaries 50x 2” = 15$

EZ Cloner and King Cloner are popular. There are many styles, most are very expensive compared to homebrew hydro/aerocloners. Inverted shoebox/sweaterbox method is popular and cheap.

HORMONE (indole-3-butyric acid)
MiracleGro FastRoot dry powder rooting hormone, 0.1% IBA = 1.25oz/5$
GardenSafe TakeRoot rooting hormone powder, 0.1% IBA = 2oz/5$
HydroDynamics CLONEX Rooting Gel, 0.3% IBA = 100ml/18$, 1quart/96$
Technaflora Rootech Cloning Gel, 0.55% IBA = 2oz/18-25$
(Do not confuse CLONEX Rooting Gel with Clone Solution, a fertilizer with 1-0.4-1 = 1quart/20$)

RTI Extreme Gardening Azos bacteria 6oz = 26$
Xtreme Gardening RTI1351 Azos Nitrogen Fixing 12oz = 35$
XG Azos 12oz x 6 = 46$
XG Azos 8lb = 203-270$

MiracleGro All Purpose Plant Food, 24-8-16 = 5lb/10$
Lilly Miller Alaska Fish Fert, 5-1-1 = 1quart/10$, 1gal/25$
Pennington Alaska Dry Pellet Fish/Kelp Fert, 6-4-6 = 3lb/10$
GrowMore Seaweed Extract Foliar Spray = 1gal/23$

Root Naturally Azomite 2lb = 11$, 5lb = 14$, 10lb = 22$

Perlite 8qt = 12$
Hoffman Horticulture perlite 18q = 14$
Viagrow perlite 4 cu ft/120qt = 37$

Fox Farm Ocean Forest 12qt = 17$, 1.5cu ft = 37$, 2x1.5cu ft = 65$
Fox Farm Happy Frog (mycorrhizae) Soil 12qt = 19$, 2cu ft = 37-40$, 2x2cu ft = 64$
Fox Farm Happy Frog Fert Jumpstart w/mycor. 3-4-3, 4lb = 17$
Fox Farm Happy Frog All Purpose 5-5-5, 4lb =16$

Coco Bliss Premium Bricks 250g x 10 brick = 20$
Kempf Compressed coco fiber 10lb block = 14$
Viagrow VCCB5 11lb block = 16$
SpongEase Coir Block 5kg/11lb = 17-20$
Green Texan Organic Compressed Coir 11lb =17$
(Coir expands approx. 11lb to 18.7gal or 2.5 cu ft. )

Root Naturally Soil Moist 3lb = 23$
Miracle Gro Water Storing Crystal 3/4lb = 8$
Medium Water Absorbing Crystal polymer 3lb = 25$
Cricket Water Polymer Crystals 2-4mm large 1lb = 16$
Dirty Gardener Agritak Polyacrylamide granules 15lb = 67$
Roots Terra-Sorb Synthetic fine grade 10lb = 105$
Water absorbing crystal polymer 5lb = 33$

IPM - LadyBugs, etc,
Dyna-Gro Neem oil 100% = 8oz/10$
GardenSafe Neem Oil concentrate 70% = 16oz/10$
Bonide Captain Jack’s Dead Bug Brew, spinosad = 32oz premade/10$, 32oz concentrate/30$
NaturalGuard Spinosad Soap, 9% spinosad = 32oz/20$

Raid Fly Ribbon 10ct = 2$
Black Flag Fly Paper 4ct = 3$

Food Grade DiatomaceousEarth 10lb = 20$
Harris Diatomaceous Earth 5lb with duster tool = 17$

dWee 1/3/5/7/10gal 5ct fabric grow bag w/handles= 13$
Gardzen 2gal x 10ct fabric bag w/handles = 16$
F-Sport 3/5/7gal 6ct fabric bag w/handles = 17$

TopHort 24x24x48 = 53$
TopHort 48x48x80 = 99$
VivoSun 48x48x80 = 110$
TopoLite 24x24x48 = 49$
TopoGrow 2 in 1 48x36x72 (propagation 12x24x72 and veg/flower 36x36x72) = 140$
MelonFarm 48x48x80 = 90$

LIGHT (LED primarily)
Found this nice but complicated guide to lighting: https://www.reddit.com/r/HandsOnComplexity/comments/17nxhd/sags_plant_lighting_guide_linked_together/

I was more concerned with hobby-grow, small scale indoor.

HLG 65 V2 4000k = 100$ (available on Amazon. Veg 2x2, flower 2x1)
HLG 100 V2 400k = 150$ (Amazon) (Veg 3x3, flower 2x2)
HLG 135 Quantum Board Kit = 160$ if you have electronics knowledge and confidence, Amazon
HLG 260 QB Kit = xxx$?
HLG 300 V2 = 509$

Some people say Viparspectra is low quality, but they are popular:
300W(130W actual draw) = 80$
450W(200W) = 120$
600W(260W) = 160$
1200W(520W) = 340$

From the guide:
KingBrite and Meijiu are vendors on Alibaba of similar high efficiency LED lights
See RapidLED.com, SpectrumKingLED.com, Fluence.science, NexLight.com, ChilLEDgrowlights.com, TimberGrowLights.com

Currently being tested:
GardenSafe TakeRoot rooting hormone powder, 0.1% IBA = 2oz/5$
MiracleGro All Purpose Plant Food, 24-8-16 = 5lb/10$
Lilly Miller Alaska Fish Fert, 5-1-1 = 1quart/10$, 1gal/25$
Dyna-Gro Neem oil 100% = 8oz/10$
dWee 1/3/5/7/10gal 5ct = 13$
TopHort 24x24x48 = 53$
HLG 65 V2 4000k = 100$ (available on Amazon. Veg 2x2, flower 2x1)

There are a number of very good and very bad lights for relatively little money and extraordinary amounts of money. Do your research wisely. I am very happy with the HLG 65, but I almost wish I got their HLG 100 and a 3ft/9sq ft tent. I am almost certain I will buy more of their lights in the future without considering any other option because I am so pleased.

Most of the tents are a mylar reflective material with nylon canvas backing. Some of the internal frames are plastic, the metal frames are supposedly more sturdy. Otherwise, most of the tents appear the same. I opted for a tent with a window instead of one without a window for about 5 dollars more. I mildly wish I had not gotten the window. Perhaps when my plants are taller I will be thankful! :)

I am doing and planning lots of experiments to learn more about the cultivation of this plant. I have a number of cuttings on the way and will try to experiment with seed germination in about a month. Always on the lookout for cheap supplies. Please let me know of anything you use, or would suggest to use. I am definitely interested in seeds and seed germination because it is so shrouded in mystery and failure. It is also the best way to increase genetic variation and counteract the issues with long term cloning. Mutants can be cool!

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Identifying plants issues

I stumbled across this cool chart at a local agricultural office took a picture of it. I thought it was useful since many here grow a variety of things

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Sweet Treat, also used for sore throat and lingering cough.

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7 seed pods on my 3 month cutting

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Anyone have any ideas on why this is happening?

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Kratom Myths

Hey guys,

I'm working on getting the interactive info side of the app built out, and I want to start with common misconceptions about Kratom so we have a place in which to direct our friends and family to educate them.

Please help by adding to or correcting the record.

Recovering Kratom activist Now my focus is on producing tools and technologies that allow us to see each other 🙂 If you would like to show your support please feel free to send me plants, seed and your experiences
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Rooting Cuttings Process: Picture Thread

This is a series of pictures I took in which i received 90+ unrooted cuttings and 3 rooted cuttings. I basically knew nothing about plant care before getting in to this, i tried to read a lot and find as much info as i could as i went along.

First, i show the three prerooted cuttings. I remove most of the rockwool to expose the roots and transfer to a potting mix, perlite, and dried horsepoo soil mixture. One of the rooted cuttings died from mold on the roots, as i did not pasteurize/sterilize my horsepoo soil component.

The next series of pictures shows the process of trimming, scraping, and adding hormone powder to the cuttings. I would find later that scraping was probably detrimental. Another factor that was detrimental was insufficient humidity dome structure. I was overloaded by this many cuttings and struggled for a few days to get the right containers. I left the rockwool cubes alone and just tried to spray them with water. I found out later it is important to soak them in pH appropriate water. Some opt to include fertilizer. I think the high pH of the rockwool, and not realizing how basic my water source was, contributed to failure. Later on, i added small amounts of vinegar to my water for everything. Misting, watering, etc. pH 5.5-6.5, but i didnt measure except with pH strips ocasionally. My tap water is approx 7.1-7.4.

I discovered later that a more effective method with rockwool cubes is to set them on top of at least 2 inches of perlite. It helps to soak up water and retain moisture. Even burying them 50-75% can help, but make sure there is a drainage layer.

The last pictures show the successful cuttings, their roots, rockwool separation, and perlite roots. The ones that didnt root were cut down to the node, repowdered with hormone, then placed in ~4in of perlite. It is important to have perlite deep enough to prevent the cutting end from soaking.

i used miracle gro perlite. the successful cuttings reached to the bottom where there was water full of fertilizer from draining the perlite, and the newest growth and roots partially turned red. Someone on reddit said this was genetic, but i think it is some type of excess fertilizer symptom. Phosphorus, maybe.

While i think the fertilizer enhanced rooting, plain perlite would probably be fine. I also think 25-50% coconut coir with perlite would be an effective rooting medium. My first three cuttings were in peat pods. I added some perlite in the middle of the pod because i saw a picture of some gnarly roots in a perlite cup. I sat the cutting and pod on perlite and put it in a plastic shoebox inverted on another one. All three cuttings rooted. They had plenty of canopy space with no crowding, and i kept the light on for 24hrs for about 3 days. I think maximum light helps cuttings root.

Enjoy the pictures, message me for more info or just to talk! More will come later when the rest of them root.

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Wet vs dry mass comparison

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9 “wet”/freshly picked leaves plus a measurement picture.

Now the dry measurements:
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Mitragyna species, and alkaloid/genetics discussion

Mitragyna speciosa (Korth./Havil.)
M. hirsuta (Havil.)
M. diversifolia syn. javanica (Havil.)
M. parvifolia (Roxb./Korth.)
M. rotundifolia (Roxb./Kuntze)
M. inermis (Willd./Kuntze)
M. tubulosa (Kuntze)

M. ciliata, M. ledermannii, and M. stipulosa were moved into the Fleroya Genus.

I recently discovered a perfectly round leaf on one of my plants, and i wonder if it is instead some other species, or hybrid. Or just a mutation. I am assuming it is a minor common mutation at the moment. Perhaps an odd juvenile leaf that will grow up normally,

Anyways, online reports talk about varying levels of activity, usually other species are less active than M. I found a number of scientific papers from the 60’s and 70’s by EJ Shellard which describe the alkaloids derived from the leaves. I know more modern analysis has been done, but no time at the moment to dig them up. Here are the PMID numbers for the papers:

4381868 (hirsuta, 1966)
5618636 (javanica var microphylla, ‘67)
4705802 (tubulosa, ‘73)
5686769 (parvifolia, ‘68)
5734383 (parvifolia, ‘68)

Most interesting high % alkaloids:
Mitragynine/7-hydroxymitragynine (notable synthetic/semisynthetic: mitragynine pseudoindoxyl)
rhynchophylline/isorhynchophylline (NMDA antagonism and calcium channel blocking, likely has local anaesthetic properties.)

Related but not in kratom: corynanthine(alpha 1>a2) and yohimbe (a2>a1) ajmalicine/raubasine and
rauwolscine of Pausinystalia johimbe (alpha 2 antagonist stimulants, but also 5HT1 and 2 mixed activity, and some alpha 1 antagonism, some of these have local anaesthetic activity)

Reserpine of Rauvolfia sp.

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Process of Rooting Mitragyna Part 1

Part 2 will include much more pictures, thorough description, and hopefully a video of me processing a large number of cuttings. All the plants pictured will be moved to allow for further Mitragyna experiments...

My process was as follows: Cuttings were removed from peat pods. There was a small amount of black on the cut end, so I decided to recut the ends.

I heated a scalpel to red hot with a jet lighter and cut a diagonal end. Using the scalpel, i scraped 20-60% of the circumference of the cut end up to 1-1.5cm.

I wet the cutting end with a small spray bottle, then dipped and rolled the cutting end in rooting powder hormone 0.1% IBA. The coating was dense and essentially entirely white, no exposed green. I wet the powder with another small spritz, then the cutting was replaced into the peat pod with some perlite.

The picture of the roots below is approximately 10 days after scrape+hormone application in the humidity box. Cut ~10 July, Recut+hormone 13 July, rooted as picture 23 July

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Image Superthread

/u/cgroom14 - Gulf of Mexico

full tree before cuttings
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Top image: Thai phenotype has dark red stem bases with green/white veins Bottom image: Malay phenotype with white/green stem and veins

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Dumbo leaves

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20 rooted cuttings

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1 year old bumblebee

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mutant from seed

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Got My first two cuttings to root!

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I have a flower / (indoor grow light?)

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grow tent plants

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topped white indo

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Bushy malay

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M. hirsuta seed germination

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intricate vein structure of bumblebee

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I think he said this was a 3-4 year old tree

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fresh fruit hope we can preserve it until our grandchildren live

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grasshopper bites, possibly caterpillar, use neem oil

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"Two bigs ones are from seed. Small one on front left is a clone from an adult green rifat, and small one on the right is a clone from the big one on the back left. I'm about to take a bunch of cuttings as soon as I move them outside. Starting a forest lmao."

fox farm ocean forest soil under Mars Hydro 600W

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lol this is overcrowded

"fox farms and a T5/blurple combo - but I’ll be adding better lighting soon."

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"I grow indoors and, despite phenomenal success - it’s quite challenging to keep all 4 of my trees manageable. It’s obviously the “tree” aspect of their genetics making them difficult to manage indoors - lol. My plants are only 7 months old (from well established trees) but I’ve easily harvested 75 - 100 leaves (many the size of my hand) in order to control growth and shape the grow space. Regarding potency, I’ve found that lightly chewing 4-5 fresh leaves to be more powerful than 10-12 dried and ground - though the same weight of imported leaves is always stronger. Not sure why there’s a potency delta between fresh vs dried of homegrown though."



"Your in luck I own a kratom nursery here in the US. My largest and oldest trees are 10 years old. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1hWIjYFQCZbu23HcBU8LfH4L0AR2aF3d

Her is a write up I did on kratom leaf on my app kratomwatchdog. https://kratomwatchdog.com/topic/2157/question-from-a-customer-about-kratom-vein-colors

Here is another write up I did a couple of days ago. https://kratomwatchdog.com/topic/2168/answering-questions-on-reddit"

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